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Re: jet size ideas

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floridafzr600 wrote:i have it running amazing now i just need bigger jets that deliver fuel for the starting process

Then you need to up the STARTER JETS.

That is EXACTLY what they are there for. You could up the mains to 400s and it wont help cold start-might flood ya on restarts.

Me, i'd drill the starter jets to the next index up
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As above main jets make no difference to starting. I''m skeptical that jetting is your starting problem though, changing from an airbox to pods has negligible change to the airflow at engine starting speeds/idle speeds. I'd be thinking your carbs either need a good clean or that your valve shims need adjusting. How many turns out out are you pilots? These should be around 2.5 - 3 turns out.
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Yeah, like Dru said...along the lines of valve clearance adjustment.

Tight intake valves (very very common) drop intake vacuum. This will make the vacuum signal at the carbs iffy at best. Especially on cold starts.

A very 'wet' starting mixture will compensate for the poor vacuum a little. Often, when the valves are tight it takes much cranking with full enrichment (enrichment is NOT 'choke', but people tend to think of the start circuit in the carbs as 'choke'). Once started, the engine will then struggle to 'clean up' missing a bit and fluctuating until the cylinders heat up and the enriched idle climbs.

Properly set up, and with sound mechanicals (good compression, good valve seal -i.e. adequate lash clearance), a cold start should be performed like this:

Full enrichment, key on, kill switch on, hit start button.....NO throttle (that's NONE, ZERO, DON'T EVEN TOUCH THE THROTTLE GRIP)

Engine should fire in the first few seconds, and the revs should rise within 10-15 seconds. Use the enrichment lever(back it off slowly) to keep the idle speed about 2k rpm until the engine is making heat.



The engine won't start until the valves are dripping with fuel (thus helping seal them-thus improving vacuum signal at the carbs).

You end up with an engine that wants a lot of enrichment to start, but is also very very prone to wet fouling.

It is common that people screw around with carb settings and chase problems back and forth, then clearance the valves and they need to go back to square one (usually leaning it out again-quite a bit).
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