Front Fork Setups

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Re: Front Fork Setups

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haunter wrote:1k fronts are 17"


everyone switches to the 120 front tire because the bike is much friendlier that way :D
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Ill add my two cents on this one. Ive been meaning to make a write up but havent had much internet access lately. So here's a quick rundown on my setup. Sorry if this is redundant with what others have said in this thread, I only skimmed it over.

Im running a 2003 R1 front end. It was a very simple swap thanks to one custom made piece. Modking(=badass!) made me a custom one off lower tiple to mate the R1 tubes to the FZR stem. This made my swap a direct bolt in. I originally intended to just use the stock R1 lower triple, but after welding up a stock stem to make the size difference up it warped slightly. It was only a few thousanths, but I didnt trust it. So I sourced another stem and went this route. Mine was the protoype and last I heard the design was modified a bit, but the effect is the same. I sent him my stock R1 lower triple and he was able to take the dimensions off of it and make a new one out of a big honking hunk o' aluminum.

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R1 triple trees

Different generations of R1s had different front end geometrys. 99-01 triple trees will not mix with 02-03 or 05+. The tubes will interchange, but the spread between the tubes and the relative location to the stem is different. So an upper triple from a 2000 will not mate with a lower triple from a 2003 model. The tubes are all 50mm USDs and will interchange, but if you're piecing your front end together like I did, make sure youre upper and lower triples are from the same generation R1. I am not certain on this, since I have not messed with the later years, but I think the 02-03 triples are the same measurements as 04-06, but dont quote me on that.

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Another necessary modification is a simple bushing for the upper triple. Since the FZR stem is a smaller dia. than the R1, it is necessary to take up the difference. I was lucky enough to have acess to a metal lathe and made my own in about 15 minutes. I made it with a press fit into the upper triple and a snug slip fit for the stem. It also has a lip to butt against the triple to keep it from working back out.

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Also, the FZR stem is smaller than the R1, so to make the difference, many people will weld all the way around the mating surface at the bottom and then turn it down in a lathe to the proper press fit diameter of the R1. This is risky since the heat can warp the stem, and did with mine. Many people have used a bushing with good success, even in racing applications. The difference is very small, so its usually necessary to bore out the lower tiple a bit. Then a press fit bushing is made with the ID=OD of steering stem. Bearing OD=lower triple ID. When modifying the stem be sure to accomodate for the ring at the bottom. This will keep the stem from walking out of the triple once its pressed in.

Wheels

Many sources say that the 99-01 and 02-03 front rims will not interchange. I have one of each and they are pretty much the same dimensions. The axle dia. is the same, the wheel bearings are the same part number, and the rotors are the same size. The only difference I can tell is the spread between rotors. This can be rectified by using a washer to space the calipers out slightly, but if at all possible I would recommend getting a matching wheel to the year and model you are using.

Tires

The R1 front end is slightly shorter than my FZR front end was so instead of using a 120/60 front tire, Im using a 120/70 and it brings everything a bit closer to the stock height. I wish I knew more about how the geometry affected handling, but unfortunately I dont yet. Working on it though :D

Brakes

Different R1 years have different brakes. Outwardly the differences are not really noticeable and the brakes will interchange between 99-03 as well as R6s and YZFs. The change to radial calipers came in 04 to the R1s. These will only work on the same generation forks. Im actually running R6 calipers, but the difference is negligble. The biggest caliper improvement to this type caliper came from the 02-03 R1. These calipers have gold pots intead of blue. These calipers are slightly lighter, but thats about it. If youre not getting a complete front end youll need to source a master cylinder as well. They all interchange though from YZF, R6, and R1.

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Fenders

The FZR fender is ugly. R1 is pretty :D. I wanted one in shift red to match my R1 tail, but that color was not available until 04. I found that 04-06 fenders will bolt right up to a 02-03 front end with no modification necessary and I managed to find a brand new one on ebay for about $35 shipped.

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Clip-ons

FZR clip-ons will not work since the fork tubes are different sizes, you will need either stock R1 ones or aftermarket ones for that model. I used aftermarket ones and added R6 controls on the left side, used the stock FZR throttle tube and controls on the right side.

Ignition

the stock ignition cylinder will need to be modified slightly to fit the triple. I used some small aluminum tubing to make up the difference. Some scrap metal and a little inginuity took care of that pretty quickly. Im sure you could take a stock R1 iginition and key and swap the harness plug to make it work. I still have yet to come up with a suitable fix for locking the steering though.

Thats pretty much it. The only fabircation necessary is getting the FZR stem into the R1 triple. The rest is parts sourcing. I had great luck with ebay and from what Ive seen, you can get most or all of the parts to do this for $500 or less. Generally less if you can find a decent undamaged front end. The bushing is super simple and a machine shop would cahrge very little. in fact, Im suprised no one has made a run of these yet and sold them.

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you bike looks like a SICK FZ1/6 now dude
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Mr.Freeze5, Why did you go with the R1 set up? Did you do any research on the R6 at all?

All I can say is that the R1 on your bike looks really good. I would like to do the R6 but trying to gather some info 1st. Any help would be appreciated.
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Im checking into the 99-02 R6 Front Fork set up.

Cad600, if you know anything please chime in.
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Really anything you choose will be a big improvment over what you have. We've talked before about the BS conserning the offset and ride height. Really unless your a racer needing a specific setup, you'll learn to cope with the changes. This is going to come down to parts availability and price. Personally, I wouldn't go with the '99-'02 R6 stuff. Nothing wrong with it, but Yamaha only made it for 3 years before changing a lot. I would go with '03 and newer. Reason is they still make the same parts for the R6S (or V if you go inverted) and the front wheel is interchangealbe from '03 to present on all fork types. Even the R1 wheel will work. Things arn't like it was when they made the FZR. Now they only make a model for 2-3 years before changing it usually with major differences. This makes finding replacement parts difficult. No one makes the same model for 10 years any more.
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Thanks rob. Thats some good info.
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look into 96-99 gsxr750 front ends...they kinda cheap fullsets ups on ebay.
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Been watching all those on ebay the last 2 weeks. I will grab one soon.
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Ok, this is what we have.

Mr.freeze set up. 03 R1 and upper triple made from modking.

03-05 R6 from Cad600.

Has anyone tried the YZF 600? What years and what do you need to do to make them work?
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95FZR600 wrote:Ok, this is what we have.



Has anyone tried the YZF 600? What years and what do you need to do to make them work?
I thought Rage had that set-up.
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95FZR600 wrote:Ok, this is what we have.

Mr.freeze set up. 03 R1 and upper triple made from modking.

03-05 R6 from Cad600.

Has anyone tried the YZF 600? What years and what do you need to do to make them work?

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having gathered these facts will you be putting them in the WIKI so that late comers in the future can look this up quickly without reading umpteen pages can find them

Thanks in advance for doing it LoL
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Re: Front Fork Setups

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i would say yzf600R would probably be the easiest swap over from all that ive read aorund here over the years ...but as you guys have seen ,, gsxr , zx636, r6,r1,, boils down to how much time u got todo it , how much you want to spend <even though it usually always goes over budget unless you create your own stuff > and sourcing the parts ...
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PIMPMYFZR wrote:i would say yzf600R would probably be the easiest swap over from all that ive read aorund here over the years ...but as you guys have seen ,, gsxr , zx636, r6,r1,, boils down to how much time u got todo it , how much you want to spend <even though it usually always goes over budget unless you create your own stuff > and sourcing the parts ...

I just want something better and can use the same brakes and cheap. Also, easier swap means cheaper. Im wondering about the YZF 600 Forks. Need to know if anyone here has done it. If so, please comment on what had to be done. What all you can use from the fzr if any. (clip ons, so forth.....)
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