Another Series in 09, Factories pulling out of AMA

[manveru]

Looks like we could be looking at another Cart/irl battle scenario next year. Dark days to come most likely

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Sep/080910ussb.htm

[cad600]

From the little bit I've read about the Daytona Racing League's changes to AMA, it was only a matter of time before someone tried to make a different series. It will either go very well or be terrible. Only time will tell.

[95FZR600]

Maybe the races will be televised. I cant believe the motogp was not live.

[Xian_13]

Not to go to deep into this this...
But...

This is the classic case of "I'm taking my toys and going home"
Factories are trying to strong arm DMG/AMA so they can keep the cheating going.

How ever, the factories will loss this battle... quickly.
As DMG/AMA has the FIM certification.

The AMA/DMG will be better closer racing.

As it stands, I will try and make the grids at Road America and Mid Ohio this next year.
Because, the new rules allows a privateer like myself to be completive.
All the "Special tires", the 80K forks, and the $500.00 gallon gas... now all go away! (all things within the rules, factory guys use)

XIII

[China_Racer_1]

Xian,

Good for you. Glad to see a level playing field not. I used to hate the fact I could never get in the top 5 because factory guys were there with high dollar parts that DID make a differance.

Now it can get down to rider talent.

Good luck I hope you go kick ass!

[manveru]

To me this is another sport now trying to be like nascar. i hate nascar. I wouldn't be surprised if there were restrictor plates brought in. The racing might be closer, but without the factory support and $$$ the big name riders will go else where and then theres the possibility of seeing the liter bikes disappearing.

[Xian_13]

To me this is another sport now trying to be like nascar. i hate nascar. I wouldn't be surprised if there were restrictor plates brought in. The racing might be closer, but without the factory support and $$$ the big name riders will go else where and then theres the possibility of seeing the liter bikes disappearing.

Like NASCAR or not...
They do put on a good show. That is why they have so many fans.

The Big Name riders will stick around.
If they had any place else to go, they would already be there.

As far as liter bikes...
Go freaking riddance!
There is no need for those bikes, except in the hands of professionals.

XIII

[manveru]

the big name riders are funded by the factories, and if the factories pull out, then the riders will go with them where the $$$ is. If they make their own series(which it looks like is happening) the riders will most likely be in that series. As far as liter bikes, i'm willing to guess that anyone who races them most likely has a pretty good idea what they're doing with them, a lot more than those who have them on the street.

[Xian_13]

the big name riders are funded by the factories, and if the factories pull out, then the riders will go with them where the $$$ is. If they make their own series(which it looks like is happening) the riders will most likely be in that series. As far as liter bikes, i'm willing to guess that anyone who races them most likely has a pretty good idea what they're doing with them, a lot more than those who have them on the street.

Yes, the Factory guys will race where the factories tell them to race...
Sorta.
Not all the top riders are being paid to race.
Actually, 80% to 90% of the riders on the grid at an AMA race are paying to be there.
The guys that are paying to be there, will not leave.
How the hell wants to be beat by Spies and Maldin every weekend? Thus why leveling the playing field works for more then it hurts.

As far as liter bikes...
I meant, I wish they stopped selling them to street riders.

[YAM93]

i don't see where stopping selling liter + bikes to the public will help with any of this AMA / Factory squabble.

what they should do is not legally be able to sell anyone a bike over 650cc unless the person has had their Motorcycle license for 3 years with no speeding tickets or other infractions. That would really encourage good behavior and common sense. Of course it would also cause a backlash and a lot of people would be stealing motorcycles from those of us who ride them legally.

unless it's broke don't try to "fix" it i say. let Darwinism work

[haunter]

i don't see where stopping selling liter + bikes to the public will help with any of this AMA / Factory squabble.

what they should do is not legally be able to sell anyone a bike over 650cc unless the person has had their Motorcycle license for 3 years with no speeding tickets or other infractions. That would really encourage good behavior and common sense. Of course it would also cause a backlash and a lot of people would be stealing motorcycles from those of us who ride them legally.

unless it's broke don't try to "fix" it i say. let Darwinism work

I've had 2 liter bikes, I dropped one of them, once, in the rain, after some old hag cut me off and slammed on teh brakes.

I really like the extra low end grunt for in town riding, none of this wind em up to do anything nonsense

its not the bike, or the HP it puts out, its the rider. Don't punish some for the stupidity of others! I've gotten no tickets since I got my M class, and I've only had it for 2.5 years. That mentality is the slippery slope that now has us no protection from warrentless wiretaps and fines to the telco's that refuse to do them without a warrant

but I like where they want to go, back to more actual STOCK BIKES racing. thats supposed to be the point, no lights, a resonable off the shelf shock and forks, a off the shelf exhaust.

in thery anyone could prep the bike for it easily.

traveling on the other hand....

[manveru]

the way i see it they are dummying down racing. not to mention making it harder for anyone in the U.S. to make it to MotoGP by forcing out the 1000cc superbikes. I don't think the teams in motogp will look at the ama as proper training grounds, when the race format is so heavily restricted. Im my mind this is just putting the U.S. farther behind everyone else in the world in motorcycle racing. Not to mention putting our influence of the factories in development back to the stoneage

[Xian_13]

As it stands...
Road racing in America sucks.
There is no fan base.
With out a fan base, there is no money.
With no money, there is no reason for improvement.

DMG did agree to give the factories World Superbike rules by 2011.
The factories decided to start their own league.

DMG is not dumbing down anything, they are leveling the playing field.
So they can build a fan base.

XIII

[manveru]

well there won't be another series, age rule seems retarded though http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Oct/081022a.htm

Edmondson: Everybody Is On Board
Edmondson told Kelly that the rules were "finalized last week".
by dean adams
Wednesday, October 22, 2008
According to comments published in a Daytona Beach news column, DMG President Roger Edmondson says that all of the manufacturers are "on board" for the 2009 DMG series.

Edmondson told Kelly that after threats of a breakaway series he compromised the rules and common sense prevailed. "Everybody is on board," Edmondson is quoted as stating presumably about OEM involvement in his series.
In a column written by Daytona News Journal reporter Godwin Kelly, Edmondson outlined the class structure for the '09 series. Edmondson told Kelly this last weekend at the Daytona 500 Club at the Speedway.

According to Kelly, the classes will be Daytona Sportbikes, Superbike, Supersport and Moto-ST.

Supersport will be open to participants 16-21 who can race the class for three years before having to "go pro or go home" Edmondson said according to Kelly's column.

Kelly states that Edmondson told him that series rules were finalized last week.

Edmondson told Kelly that after threats of a breakaway series he compromised the rules and common sense prevailed. "Everybody is on board," Edmondson is quoted as stating presumably about OEM involvement in his series.

Edmondson also mentioned to Kelly a three-year plan to standardize all national Superbike rules throughout the world via the FIM.