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NEED HELP "Lost Torque"

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 7:07 pm
by r0bertt
I was riding on freeway yesterday I got up to like 85mph and I was about to exit when I notice I was losing torque, the engine revs, but I was slowing down. I push the bike to a parking lot to let it cool, I turned the key getting ready to start the bike, then I hear the fan... I never heard the fan before when I normally turn the ignition... I attempted to ride again, but I was not going anywhere... I can also start the bike in 1st gear and it does not stall out or anything. There is little to no torque if any... The bike starts normal, does not over heat, just no Torque when I roll on the Throttle... Can anyone help me out, or let me know what the issue might be, before I take it to a professional...

Re: NEED HELP "Lost Torque"

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 11:22 pm
by blensen
Sounds to me like your clutch is toast.

Re: NEED HELP "Lost Torque"

Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 9:39 am
by pefrey
blensen wrote:Sounds to me like your clutch is toast.

This.

Re: NEED HELP "Lost Torque"

Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 12:40 pm
by r0bertt
How do I determine if its acctually the clutch once I open it up... What exactly do I look for on plates...

Re: NEED HELP "Lost Torque"

Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 12:51 pm
by DonTZ125
Measure the thickness of the frictions. Measure the free length of the springs. Clean the steels, inspect for bluing and warping. (Check the manual for specs)

If anything fails, replace as a set - frictions (almost guaranteed to be toast), springs, or steels; the groups that pass can be re-used.

Re: NEED HELP "Lost Torque"

Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 1:17 pm
by r0bertt
DonTZ125 wrote:Measure the thickness of the frictions. Measure the free length of the springs. Clean the steels, inspect for bluing and warping. (Check the manual for specs)

If anything fails, replace as a set - frictions (almost guaranteed to be toast), springs, or steels; the groups that pass can be re-used.

Thanks a lot

Re: NEED HELP "Lost Torque"

Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 2:06 pm
by r0bertt
DonTZ125 wrote:Measure the thickness of the frictions. Measure the free length of the springs. Clean the steels, inspect for bluing and warping. (Check the manual for specs)

If anything fails, replace as a set - frictions (almost guaranteed to be toast), springs, or steels; the groups that pass can be re-used.

How do you torque the bolts to specification on the clutch when reassembling?

Re: NEED HELP "Lost Torque"

Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 3:04 pm
by blensen
Very carefully. You don't want to go over the recommended 7 lb-ft or you will snap off a bolt in the clutch basket (ask how I know... twice...). I would advise either buying a small torque wrench that reads in inch-pounds and convert it. FYI, 7 lb-ft=84 lb-in

Re: NEED HELP "Lost Torque"

Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 3:59 pm
by DonTZ125
You mis-spelled "4.3 lb-ft" ...

Re: NEED HELP "Lost Torque"

Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 4:39 pm
by blensen
So I did...

Re: NEED HELP "Lost Torque"

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 10:09 am
by r0bertt
blensen wrote:Very carefully. You don't want to go over the recommended 7 lb-ft or you will snap off a bolt in the clutch basket (ask how I know... twice...). I would advise either buying a small torque wrench that reads in inch-pounds and convert it. FYI, 7 lb-ft=84 lb-in
Thanks lots... Looks like I'm investing in a Torque wrench... How difficult was it getting the bolt out once you snapped it...

Re: NEED HELP "Lost Torque"

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 10:26 am
by r0bertt
So this is what need for the torque 4.3lb-ft = 84lb-in???

Re: NEED HELP "Lost Torque"

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 10:43 am
by reelrazor
r0bertt wrote:.. How difficult was it getting the bolt out once you snapped it...

Getting the bolt out is not THE problem.

The snapped off 'tower'/boss that the bolt threads into in the clutch basket will be your biggest worry.

Re: NEED HELP "Lost Torque"

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 4:24 pm
by blensen
4.3ft-lb=51in-lb roughly. If you break a bolt off you will not be able to extract it.

Re: NEED HELP "Lost Torque"

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 5:21 pm
by DonTZ125
As RR suggested, you are less likely to snap the bolt itself than you are to tear out the spring tower in the clutch hub./ This is a fairly light casting, and this damage would be irreparable.