my first fzr 600
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loolagigi
my first fzr 600
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thatkid
Re: my first fzr 600
Your getting 12v to the Red/Black wire on the Igniter (TCI) yes?
You say "weak spark" "then no spark" is that on all 4 plugs (the bike won't start)?
Any other symptoms? blown bulbs, does the fuel pump prime when the run stop switch is turned off then back on (ignition on obviously) Tacho still functioned while the bike was running (or is the bike still running), have any other electrical components stopped working?
Follow the instructions below in the order 1 to 3, Breaking then making a connection is destructive diagnosis which could temporarily solve the fault = you may never know what the fault was, it will return @ a later date. Don't disconnect anything else YET.
1. Check for power on the ignition coils solder terminals (remove the tank cover, then airbox the coils are located there). Coil for #1 & #4 Red/White wire then Orange wire, Coil for #2 & #3 Red/White wire then Grey wire, Your looking for 12v (approx) on all wires.
2. Reconnect the TCI after checking the prongs and connector for corrosion, recheck for 12v to all the coil wires as above, You should still have 12V (approx) on all 4 wires.
3. Ignition OFF disconnect the TCI, on the large connector (there's only 3 wires connected) connect an ohm meter between the White/Red & White/Blue terminals, your looking for 80-120 ohms @ 20 degrees C or 68 degrees F. Then White/Red and ground, then White/Blue and ground, your looking for infinite ohms (no continuity) any continuity on that test indicates a short (to ground) in the pick up coil.
Post your answers/results, if necessary I can advise you further.
You say "weak spark" "then no spark" is that on all 4 plugs (the bike won't start)?
Any other symptoms? blown bulbs, does the fuel pump prime when the run stop switch is turned off then back on (ignition on obviously) Tacho still functioned while the bike was running (or is the bike still running), have any other electrical components stopped working?
Follow the instructions below in the order 1 to 3, Breaking then making a connection is destructive diagnosis which could temporarily solve the fault = you may never know what the fault was, it will return @ a later date. Don't disconnect anything else YET.
1. Check for power on the ignition coils solder terminals (remove the tank cover, then airbox the coils are located there). Coil for #1 & #4 Red/White wire then Orange wire, Coil for #2 & #3 Red/White wire then Grey wire, Your looking for 12v (approx) on all wires.
2. Reconnect the TCI after checking the prongs and connector for corrosion, recheck for 12v to all the coil wires as above, You should still have 12V (approx) on all 4 wires.
3. Ignition OFF disconnect the TCI, on the large connector (there's only 3 wires connected) connect an ohm meter between the White/Red & White/Blue terminals, your looking for 80-120 ohms @ 20 degrees C or 68 degrees F. Then White/Red and ground, then White/Blue and ground, your looking for infinite ohms (no continuity) any continuity on that test indicates a short (to ground) in the pick up coil.
Post your answers/results, if necessary I can advise you further.
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loolagigi
Re: my first fzr 600
everything else on the bike works...lights, signals, horn ect... i dont have a volt meter, just a test light. tommorow my roomate is going to take it to work and do a ohm check. origionally we just tried to start the bike on choke. we drained the fuel and added premium gas. it wouldnt turn over, so he looked for spark in 1&2 coil wires. at first there was a weak spark, then nothing. im not sure if the digital ignitor dies fast, or over time.....when my friend that owned it drove it last, he would lose power shortly after the bike was started. he never figured the problem out...thats why i have the bike now. let me know if theres anything i can do......tomm, i will post the ohm readings.
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thatkid
Re: my first fzr 600
Remove the battery check the electrolyte levels top up as necessary with deionised water, with the filler caps removed charge the battery with a motorcycle battery charger NOT a car charger they are too heavy (too many amps) and can/will damage the battery. When the battery is fully charged clean the terminals/connections and refit it.
The TCI (igniter) usually fails if the VR is faulty and overcharging the battery, boiling it dry (a smell of rotten eggs). Your charging system could be inadequate undercharging.
A safe charging rate @ 3000 RPMs is 13.7 to 14.9 volts.
After the battery is fully charged.
If the voltage to the coil Red/White wires is low, disconnect their connectors 1 Yellow 1 White, check for corrosion clean as necessary apply dielectric grease to the connectors. IF the voltage is fine leave them alone for now.
Ignition OFF, Small connector disconnected @ the TCI, check for continuity between the coil Orange Wire and the Orange wire on the TCI small connector, then the Grey wires Coil and TCI as above, (there's also a grey wire on the large TCI connector ignore that one) your looking for 0 ohms (or there abouts). A high reading would probably mean a poor connection in the Yellow White connectors.
Good Luck.
The TCI (igniter) usually fails if the VR is faulty and overcharging the battery, boiling it dry (a smell of rotten eggs). Your charging system could be inadequate undercharging.
A safe charging rate @ 3000 RPMs is 13.7 to 14.9 volts.
After the battery is fully charged.
If the voltage to the coil Red/White wires is low, disconnect their connectors 1 Yellow 1 White, check for corrosion clean as necessary apply dielectric grease to the connectors. IF the voltage is fine leave them alone for now.
Ignition OFF, Small connector disconnected @ the TCI, check for continuity between the coil Orange Wire and the Orange wire on the TCI small connector, then the Grey wires Coil and TCI as above, (there's also a grey wire on the large TCI connector ignore that one) your looking for 0 ohms (or there abouts). A high reading would probably mean a poor connection in the Yellow White connectors.
Good Luck.
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loolagigi
Re: my first fzr 600
ok, one thing at a time. i went to wally world and baught a volts/ohm meter. when checking just my ignitor, (disconnected from the bike) what terminals do i check, and what #'s should i get?
if you are looking at the ignitor, the left, larger plug has 4 sets of terminals. if i set my meter to 200k on ohms and touch the second set of terminals, (top and bottom), it reads 6.6. on the smaller plug the first set of terminals, ( from left to right), it reads 1.2.
all the other terminals read nothing on both plugs exept for the 2 sets i described above. now remember this is when the ignitor is removed from the bike. let me know if these #'s check out....thanks.
if you are looking at the ignitor, the left, larger plug has 4 sets of terminals. if i set my meter to 200k on ohms and touch the second set of terminals, (top and bottom), it reads 6.6. on the smaller plug the first set of terminals, ( from left to right), it reads 1.2.
all the other terminals read nothing on both plugs exept for the 2 sets i described above. now remember this is when the ignitor is removed from the bike. let me know if these #'s check out....thanks.
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thatkid
Re: my first fzr 600
Read my first post again, that explains (or I hope it does) what to check.
On My TCI the larger connector has 3 wires (if memory serves I cleaned greased them on Friday) White/Red White/Blue & Grey, the small connector has 6.
Could I ask where in the world are you?
EDIT: I meant the terminals on the connector, NOT the prongs on the TCI, was that the confusion?
On My TCI the larger connector has 3 wires (if memory serves I cleaned greased them on Friday) White/Red White/Blue & Grey, the small connector has 6.
Could I ask where in the world are you?
EDIT: I meant the terminals on the connector, NOT the prongs on the TCI, was that the confusion?
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thatkid
Re: my first fzr 600
Checked it NO pms, from you or anyone else. Whatever you need to say please post it in this thread no need for a PM.
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loolagigi
Re: my first fzr 600
i saw your in the uk...so a phone call wouldnt work.....tomm i am going to read what you posted again and try it out.....ill let ya know how it goes.....thanks
Last edited by loolagigi on Sun Sep 26, 2010 8:20 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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thatkid
Re: my first fzr 600
I don't do phone calls, im in The UK, I asked where you where in the world because of the "if you are looking at the ignitor, the left, larger plug has 4 sets of terminals" comment which confused me.loolagigi wrote:i was ganna say gimme a ring. PHONE # REMOVED its way easier.....lemme know when you get my # so i can delete from the post....thanks
Mine has 3 wires by terminals I meant on the connector not the prongs on the TCI.
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thatkid
Re: my first fzr 600
you mean 8 wires going too one connector and 6 wires going to the other connector? what are their colours? the only other TCI for the FZR600 that I know off has 3 connectors and that's for the exup version.
Again where in the world are you, these bikes do differ from continent to continent
Again where in the world are you, these bikes do differ from continent to continent
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loolagigi
Re: my first fzr 600
if you go to the top of the thread there is a photo of it. there are 2 wire harness make plugs. the one on the left has 8, the one on the right has 6.
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thatkid
Re: my first fzr 600
I tried to simply things so as not too confuse you (my bad)
again carry out these tests as in my first post, to eliminate everything else except the TCI, that was my intention.
1. Check for power on the ignition coils solder terminals (remove the tank cover, then airbox the coils are located there). Coil for #1 & #4 Red/White wire then Orange wire, Coil for #2 & #3 Red/White wire then Grey wire, Your looking for 12v (approx) on all wires.
2. Reconnect the TCI after checking the prongs and connector for corrosion, recheck for 12v to all the coil wires as above, You should still have 12V (approx) on all 4 wires.
3. Ignition OFF disconnect the TCI, REMOVE it from the bike take it to another room leave it there, go back to the bike, on the large connector plug with the wires connected to it (there's only 3 wires connected) connect an ohm meter between the White/Red & White/Blue terminals on the plug (not the prongs on the TCI which is hopefully not in reach) your looking for 80-120 ohms @ 20 degrees C or 68 degrees F. Then White/Red and ground, then White/Blue and ground, your looking for infinite ohms (no continuity) any continuity on that test indicates a short (to ground) in the pick up coil. YOU MUST carry out ALL tests on the connector NOT the TCI (igniter) Your testing the pick up coil NOT the TCI
Post your answers/results which you have not.
Your testing the TCI (igniter) YES, I told you to test the wires going into it, there's no test for the TCI without specialist testing equipment. You could if you can find one pay around $200 (if your in the USA) for a used TCI (igniter) if you wish.
NONE of the above is meant as sarcasm nor to mock, I'm trying to help you, diagnose/rule out everything else before you buy a TCI.
again carry out these tests as in my first post, to eliminate everything else except the TCI, that was my intention.
1. Check for power on the ignition coils solder terminals (remove the tank cover, then airbox the coils are located there). Coil for #1 & #4 Red/White wire then Orange wire, Coil for #2 & #3 Red/White wire then Grey wire, Your looking for 12v (approx) on all wires.
2. Reconnect the TCI after checking the prongs and connector for corrosion, recheck for 12v to all the coil wires as above, You should still have 12V (approx) on all 4 wires.
3. Ignition OFF disconnect the TCI, REMOVE it from the bike take it to another room leave it there, go back to the bike, on the large connector plug with the wires connected to it (there's only 3 wires connected) connect an ohm meter between the White/Red & White/Blue terminals on the plug (not the prongs on the TCI which is hopefully not in reach) your looking for 80-120 ohms @ 20 degrees C or 68 degrees F. Then White/Red and ground, then White/Blue and ground, your looking for infinite ohms (no continuity) any continuity on that test indicates a short (to ground) in the pick up coil. YOU MUST carry out ALL tests on the connector NOT the TCI (igniter) Your testing the pick up coil NOT the TCI
Post your answers/results which you have not.
Your testing the TCI (igniter) YES, I told you to test the wires going into it, there's no test for the TCI without specialist testing equipment. You could if you can find one pay around $200 (if your in the USA) for a used TCI (igniter) if you wish.
NONE of the above is meant as sarcasm nor to mock, I'm trying to help you, diagnose/rule out everything else before you buy a TCI.
Re: my first fzr 600
Go look at the wire harness that plugs in there. The larger wire connector only has 3 wires going into it. That is what he is talking about. The other slots are not used.loolagigi wrote:if you go to the top of the thread there is a photo of it. there are 2 wire harness make plugs. the one on the left has 8, the one on the right has 6.
If I had to guess, I'd say you have a bad TCI (computer). It could be a wire issue, but if you can get it running then it doesn't it shouldn't be wires. You can down load a PDF version of the factory service manual from this site (it is in the WIKI). Go through the entire section marked trouble shooting with your new meter including the parts about the ignition switch, relays, and coils. This will help you find any week points in the wiring if they exist. If not, then you are looking at the TCI being bad.
Are you sure the rest of the bike is in sound condition? Valves are good, carbs don't need to be cleaned and are jetted properly (not too lean or rich)?
Yes, that is a Single Sided Swingarm FZR600 that I built.
Something is lurking, waiting, wanting to be built......It calls to me from the darkness....
I can finally see the light at the end of the tunnel....Then I realize that it is the train coming to run my ass over....
Something is lurking, waiting, wanting to be built......It calls to me from the darkness....
I can finally see the light at the end of the tunnel....Then I realize that it is the train coming to run my ass over....