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Valve clearance - all but 2 valves too tight!

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:40 am
by gnicholls7
I just got through with a valve clearance check.

On the intake side, valves in cylinders 1 and 3 were all too tight to measure (less than 0.0015" - my smallest feeler gauge). Cylinders 2 and 4 each had one intake valve at between 0.004" and 0.005", while the other intake valve in each of those cylinders was again tighter than my smallest feeler gauge.

On the exhaust side, both valves in cylinders 1, 2, and 3 were right around 0.005". In cylinder 4, both exhaust valves were right around 0.007".

I checked compression on 1 and 2 earlier today, and got 58psi and 54psi respectively. I squirted about 1ml of oil (using a syringe) in cylinder 1, and got an increase to about 88psi. In cylinder 2, I tried a bit less oil (about 0.5ml) and saw a jump to about 64psi. I didn't bother checking 3 and 4 at that point, and just got started checking the valves. So much for the previous owner's claim that valve clearance had been checked recently. On to the questions:

1. Can anyone tell me if the extremely tight valve clearances are likely to be the main cause of the low compression? Or, am I likely seeing some cylinder blow-by as well? I've read a few conflicting opinions about using the oil in the cylinders trick to check the rings. I wonder if I put enough oil in cylinder 1 to actually help seal up the valves, while putting a smaller amount in cylinder 2 had less of an impact.
2. Are these obviously neglected valves likely to be totally shot, or is it worth experimenting with changing shims (might have to try a few given that 6 of the intake valves were too tight to measure).

Re: Valve clearance - all but 2 valves too tight!

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:37 pm
by pefrey
I'm not a professional mechanic, but I'd say that the intake valves on cylinders 1 and 3 are toast. Hopefully the valve seats are not toast.

Re: Valve clearance - all but 2 valves too tight!

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 2:09 pm
by DonTZ125
It IS possible to have zero or negative clearance with serviceable valves; it depends on the original tolerance stackup. Only one way to find out ...

Re: Valve clearance - all but 2 valves too tight!

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 3:57 pm
by reelrazor
The bores/combustion chamber on these engines is too small to accurately do/use the oil added comp test dealio. It's virtually impossible to know that the oil just sat down on the rings.

Unless the engine got to the point where you had to crank it with a backup battery, starter fluid it crank crank crank crank to get it to start, and then run the piss outa it the valves/seats are probably not damaged badly-at least not bad enough to warrant immediate repair.

shim it and run it.

Get a leakdown tester and use it after a hundred miles of re-clearanced lash.

If you have a decent amount of loss at the valves..start looking around for a good used head and get er reconditioned then just make the easy swap.