Suzuki 17" Rim on stock FZR swingarm MOD (Testing Grounds)

[dreman]

how are you guys going on with this mod?

[the_finch]

Captain Canuck already got his fitted. Mine is still in the works. Didn't have as much free time as I though over Christmas break. I'm working on sourcing an axle at the moment, and when I get that done, I can ge the machine shop started on all of the machine work. I'm trying to carefully document everything so I can do a write-up.

[yamaha_george]

Captain Canuck already got his fitted. Mine is still in the works. Didn't have as much free time as I though over Christmas break. I'm working on sourcing an axle at the moment, and when I get that done, I can ge the machine shop started on all of the machine work. I'm trying to carefully document everything so I can do a write-up.

So where is Captan's write up / pictures ?

[SilverJS]

Guys,

I'm sure most of you know this already, but thought I'd point it out just in case :

You DO know that a TZR250 3XV rim (17" by 4.5") WILL actually slide RIGHT in, right? At least, it does in the 1WG FZR400 swingarm (non-Deltabox). As far as I know, Modking was the first to do this, and I followed suit. Bearings to match the TZR OD and FZR axle are not available (or at least my bearing shops couldn't seem to find some), so I just made steel bushings. I don't have the numbers, but it was fairly easy.

Sprocket alignment was perfect, wheel was centered, everything's good. You do have to use TZ250 sprockets, though.

Light, looks killer, awesome tire selection. It's the way to go, I think. If you have trouble finding one, might I suggest the TZR owner's group on Yahoo...I also own a TZR myself (1KT though), so I knew a couple of the 3XV owners in the States who track their bikes and have put TZ rims on their TZRs and had those rims sitting in their garage. Paid 75$ for it.

Hope this helps!

[sweekster]

Guys,

I'm sure most of you know this already, but thought I'd point it out just in case :

You DO know that a TZR250 3XV rim (17" by 4.5") WILL actually slide RIGHT in, right? At least, it does in the 1WG FZR400 swingarm (non-Deltabox). As far as I know, Modking was the first to do this, and I followed suit. Bearings to match the TZR OD and FZR axle are not available (or at least my bearing shops couldn't seem to find some), so I just made steel bushings. I don't have the numbers, but it was fairly easy.

Sprocket alignment was perfect, wheel was centered, everything's good. You do have to use TZ250 sprockets, though.

Light, looks killer, awesome tire selection. It's the way to go, I think. If you have trouble finding one, might I suggest the TZR owner's group on Yahoo...I also own a TZR myself (1KT though), so I knew a couple of the 3XV owners in the States who track their bikes and have put TZ rims on their TZRs and had those rims sitting in their garage. Paid 75$ for it.

Hope this helps!

Well yes, a lot of us here are aware of the TZR wheels being a proven good choice and we have at least other member (Target30) who is running a TZR rear wheel and swinger combo on his 400 framed 600 powered hybrid. And then there is also ModKing's awesome 4/600 hybrid. Really, the idea is to have MORE options and, dare I say it, innovations on what can be done to open the doors to more tire choices for the FZR 4/600 and keep it's original and also great handling characteristics in tact- which is what the info in this thread regarding this particular mod is supposed to put forth.

[yamaha_george]

Guys,

I'm sure most of you know this already, but thought I'd point it out just in case :

You DO know that a TZR250 3XV rim (17" by 4.5") WILL actually slide RIGHT in, right? At least, it does in the 1WG FZR400 swingarm (non-Deltabox). As far as I know, Modking was the first to do this, and I followed suit. Bearings to match the TZR OD and FZR axle are not available (or at least my bearing shops couldn't seem to find some), so I just made steel bushings. I don't have the numbers, but it was fairly easy.

Sprocket alignment was perfect, wheel was centered, everything's good. You do have to use TZ250 sprockets, though.

Light, looks killer, awesome tire selection. It's the way to go, I think. If you have trouble finding one, might I suggest the TZR owner's group on Yahoo...I also own a TZR myself (1KT though), so I knew a couple of the 3XV owners in the States who track their bikes and have put TZ rims on their TZRs and had those rims sitting in their garage. Paid 75$ for it.

Hope this helps!

Silver,
sure does, but for the TZR illiterate like me is the 3xv the banana arm bike ?

What were the original tzr bearings you had difficulty with the actual wheel bearings or the one in the sprocket carrier ?

I have had similar problems that turned out to be a Non problem as it meant just changing a bushing :

see:
http://www.saltmine.org.uk/fzr/3tj-mod.html

[dreman]

actually did not know that the TZR rim would fit. Thats opens up more doors as it seems quite difficult to find a suzuki rim down under.

cheers

[yamaha_george]

Dreman,
Please put your location in your name avatar area, make it easier for us all to help you as some have friends in Oz as well as other Oz members being able to chime in
Geo.

[the_finch]

Well yes, a lot of us here are aware of the TZR wheels being a proven good choice...the idea is to have MORE options and, dare I say it, innovations on what can be done to open the doors to more tire choices for the FZR 4/600 and keep it's original and also great handling characteristics in tact- which is what the info in this thread regarding this particular mod is supposed to put forth.

This thread isn't really trying to say that the Suzuki Rim Swap is any better than the TZR or even the F2/F3 rims swap, just another option. In fact, the TZR rim is probably alot lighter than the Bandit wheel I have, but I got the Bandit wheel pretty cheap and it was available when I was looking to buy, so I didn't have to wait for a TZR rim to show up. The only problem I've heard of when using a TZR rim (and I might be wrong) is that since the TZR is a pure race bike, the rims were never DOT approved, which could cause problems if you live in an area that does really thorough inspections.

The more options that are available, the better. And as Sarge from Red vs. Blue would say, "options are optional".

[DonTZ125]

Finch - I think you're confusing the TZ and TZR. The TZ is a production GP racer - no lights, no horn, wheels stamped "Closed Circuit Use Only," and yes - I can see a finicky DOT inspector getting cranky about those! The TZR (especially the R models) is a street bike, with all the government approved knick-nacks to warm a bureacrat's heart (even speed and power limiters, something not yet mandated by your gov't or mine).

I can't see TZR wheels being an issue.

[cad600]

In the US, the problem is finding the wheel. Then finding someone willing to ship it to the US if you bought from over seas. A lot of UK sellers are not willing to ship to the US anymore.

[SilverJS]

Yamaha George :

Yes, as I understand it, the 3XV is the banana-arm. In any case, I'm 95% sure the model years you're looking for are 91-95. My particular rim is off a '91. And the problem with the bearings were with the actual wheel bearings. I think we did a 3-step bushing that took care of the wheel and sprocket carrier at the same time, but it was a while ago and I've been overseas for six months, so I don't know.

Good luck!

[the_finch]

Finch - I think you're confusing the TZ and TZR. The TZ is a production GP racer - no lights, no horn, wheels stamped "Closed Circuit Use Only," and yes - I can see a finicky DOT inspector getting cranky about those! The TZR (especially the R models) is a street bike, with all the government approved knick-nacks to warm a bureacrat's heart (even speed and power limiters, something not yet mandated by your gov't or mine).

I can't see TZR wheels being an issue.

I was getting those confused. Thanks for clearing that up. I don't really have any experience with the TZ's or TZR's, so all I could make were assumptions about them (never safe to make). You wouldn't happen to have a spare matching set of TZR rims laying about, would ya'?

[DonTZ125]

I should be so lucky!!

[yamaha_george]

In the US, the problem is finding the wheel. Then finding someone willing to ship it to the US if you bought from over seas. A lot of UK sellers are not willing to ship to the US anymore.

Hi,
whilst that is undoubtedly true of most of our sellers you do have a guy here on the ground (Err ME) to help get you what you want for what it costs him and getting re-shipped to you ................

Finch PM me about TZR wheels.