would any one be interested in Under wear

[yamaha_george]

Never seen such a thing. I wear under armor.

95,
better put a link to that as I for one have no idea what that is.

The only thing I can think of is like the MX riders wear under their shirts....which is what I used 20 years ago on a lot smaller sized bikes

My Textile & my leather kits have CE approved armour built in to pockets within the suits. and because of the hot sweaty conditions and the fear of heat exhaustion is why I am looking for base layer stuff.

[tommyj27]

A I usually try to wear wicking/synthetic something under leathers. I'm partial to outdoorsy clothing, because I can use it in umpteen other activities. I've got a couple pair of poly shorts made by Mountain Hardware and North Face that I wear everywhere because they're so comfortable. For uppers I often will wear a sleeveless cotton-poly tee. I've also got some poly long sleeve tees that are really comfortable under my jacket (think Patagonia Capeline).

The other bonus of merino and bamboo that I forgot to mention over poly. If it gets through your leathers, both the natural fabrics are fire resistant. Merino will actually extinguish itself. Poly will melt to your skin and create one evil scar. That alone should be a reason to stay way from poly.

I'm thinking that if I have fire coming through my leathers I have bigger problems than a scar

[yamaha_george]

I'm thinking that if I have fire coming through my leathers I have bigger problems than a scar

It is not only the flame type heat you have to worry about !!!

From personal experience many, many years ago I had a riding suit that had the latest OMG lining. very warm for winter riding.
The day before Christmas at -2 ambient I hit black ice and got dragged by the bike few yards well.

Having extracated my self from the bike, I tried to stand only to find this sythetic material lining had welded itself together and worse still to the synthetic components of my normal dress wear. I arrived at my destination in rags and a few minor heat induced spots on my side and back.

Looking back I was lucky I was not travelling beyond the speed limit & sensible riding envelope dictated by the conditions.


I have tried quite a few base layer bits and pieces over the years both on bikes & in the military. Helle Henson became the in thing to wear a few years ago for cold conditions for military types. It kept me too warm and and became very nasty very quickly as the inner surface pile became sodden with sweat. Even though it was a green colour you could not remove your outer clothing as it stood out too much against the surrounding forest & snow.
I still see it advertised as being "wickable " hmm their idea of getting sweat off your skin is different to mine.

As to the Bamboo stuff I tried the top only today, the ambient temperature is quiet warm. My upper body & arms (has long sleeves in this top )are cool and dry and my anti-persperant has worked but the pants are their usual nasty selves after 3 hours of riding.

Which as a side by side test proves the Bamboo top works well !!!!!

Thanks TK for the heads up, tomorrow I am off to Twickenham (home of English Rugby about 5 mins ride from here ) to buy the "Under Armour" heat kit and I will give that a try too as the cost is quite reasonable at 40 UKP a suit (t top & long johns )

They do have the advantage it seems of being "compression " fitted ie tight to stop the probability of Deep vein Thrombosis caused by fatty tissue releasing a blood clot after a sustained rest period (sitting on a bike for hours) and then suddenly elevating your blood pressure. It is the same principle as long haul flight socks.

Will keep you all informed as I go

[thatkid]

Glad the Bamboo worked for you! I bought a shirt for my father a year or so ago and it's now the only shirt he'll work out in because of how well it regulates body temp and it doesn't get up and walk away on its own after he takes it off.

tommyj27 wrote:
I'm thinking that if I have fire coming through my leathers I have bigger problems than a scar

George is right on this one. I'm mainly talking about if you slide long enough on the leathers to wear through them. When that happens your poly base layer is now part of your skin. It's not a pretty sight.

George, as for the under armour, you'll find the compression works but but stench doesn't. They are synthetic so you are back to them not breathing as well and absorbing odor. You'll end up with that clammy feeling. If you've ever skied and been fine going down the hill and then cold on the chairlift ride up, it's the same idea. Synthetics just don't breathe well enough to regulate your body temp as well. So your body has to fight to keep itself warm or cool (depending on weather) which uses more energy and tires you out faster. However, I'm curious to see your results so by all means, snag up a set and give us a review.

I'll stick to the natural fibers of merino and bamboo mainly for the no stink factor but also for the environmental benefits of it. It's renewable and there is no static charge so it just feels better on the body.

[yamaha_george]

Glad the Bamboo worked for you! I bought a shirt for my father a year or so ago and it's now the only shirt he'll work out in because of how well it regulates body temp and it doesn't get up and walk away on its own after he takes it off.

tommyj27 wrote:
I'm thinking that if I have fire coming through my leathers I have bigger problems than a scar

George is right on this one. I'm mainly talking about if you slide long enough on the leathers to wear through them. When that happens your poly base layer is now part of your skin. It's not a pretty sight.

George, as for the under armour, you'll find the compression works but but stench doesn't. They are synthetic so you are back to them not breathing as well and absorbing odor. You'll end up with that clammy feeling. If you've ever skied and been fine going down the hill and then cold on the chairlift ride up, it's the same idea. Synthetics just don't breathe well enough to regulate your body temp as well. So your body has to fight to keep itself warm or cool (depending on weather) which uses more energy and tires you out faster. However, I'm curious to see your results so by all means, snag up a set and give us a review.

I'll stick to the natural fibres of merino and bamboo mainly for the no stink factor but also for the environmental benefits of it. It's renewable and there is no static charge so it just feels better on the body.

TK,
as you may have gathered from my comments on HH wear we did ski a lot (no chair lifts though and no chalet bunnies either :-{{{{{ )
I figure that th UA stuff is not so expensive as to be a complete waste I can find other uses under less strenuous circumstances.
I have been digging around for marino wool at reasonable cost but it seems to be eluding me at this moment may be spring would be better for ends of line sales.

Also as I mentioned before Marino wool seems to be cold conditions only but at 63 my likelihood of riding at near freezing is not that big and at tops at 99UKP and pants to match at about the same I cannot justify the expense.

I am not even likely to go skiing either since my trips to snow laden areas are by Lake Geneva and the civilised confine of good eateries , fine wines and good company & more importantly pretty waitresses (well you do have to find some way to work off the extra calories & keeping warm at night LoL )

[thatkid]

George,

The merino is expensive. There isn't much way around it. But it is worth it. Merino is a pretty set price The big companies have contracts with the farmers and give them money up front so they have the money to run the farm, invest in better equipment and stop the muesling of sheep. Since it's agreed upon before the season, the clothing doesn't fluctuate much.

As for warm weather, you'll want to look at the 140g shirts. http://www.icebreaker.com/site/catalog/ ... weight=140

You have to look at it from the perspective of a sheep. They are out in 0° weather on up to 90° and they were designed by nature. So it works in hot weather, you just have to get the right weight. See about getting some stuff from the US. If places will ship overseas you should be able to get it a little cheaper. We are heading into winter so the Tee's are going on sale if people have them still. Shipping shouldn't be bad on a tee as it can fit into a small priority box which is 13 to ship anywhere in the world. With the conversion you may come out ahead. I'll keep an eye out at my shop for any on sale and I'd be happy to ship it to you.

[China_Racer_1]

OK Guys I guess sometimes you just need to ask.

I contacted David the owner of BAM. Told him there was a lot of bikers needing his product.

He agreed to the following 20% discount Read his excerpts below please.

Basically I told him we needed a one piece suit for racing leathers or just riding in general.

he said if he gets enough motorcycle riders feed back he would consider making a line of one piece.

I guess he will track biker sales via the promo code and if he gets a lot he will know there is a market.

I plan on getting leggings and a long sleeve shirt to try under the leathers I race in to see how they do. Its about 100degrees at the Southern China (Zhuhai)F1 track we race at so lets see if they help. He also wanted some feed back as well.

So I guess send me some PM's if your using these and I will forward it to him or you cna contact him direct with comments.

davidg@bambooclothing.co.uk

From David owner of BAM (http://www.bambooclothing.co.uk)

"Hi Steve, great idea. You know we already do leggings and tops. How
would I promote that to you guys in motorbike world?
How about we organised a special code word that had a discount attached
to it, for bikers only.

.......In fact I've set up the code: probikers
Just enter it at checkout in the promo code box. 20% discount"

He mentioned a lot of Special forces guys are using his product in the middle east due to the fire smoldering not melting properties. I plan to forward his info to my Special Forces and Mercenary buddies so they are keen to this product.

[thatkid]

Damn, go Steve!

Now we just need one in the US. heh.

[China_Racer_1]

Damn, go Steve!

Now we just need one in the US. heh.

Why its just a few bucks extra for shipping. If these things are as good as everyone is saying I will cough up the extra cash for them.

One session in my poly suit and I stink like a pile of shit.

Hard to scoop the hot Chinese umbrella girls when you stink like shit. ha ha ha

[yamaha_george]

Damn, go Steve!

Now we just need one in the US. heh.

TK,
these suits (long sleeve T & long John pants) are so light it will be VERY cheap to ship state side for sure.
Do they work well it is about 20 degrees ambient and I have ridden just under triple figure for the road trip in some twisty narrow roads. warm I am but not dripping in sweat and the wife did not push me straight in the shower so the "anti-pong" works

Steve ,
well I guess you just need bigger ideas to get things done THANK YOU.

Guys we need to get this discount out to all the bikers you know across cyber space.

[tommyj27]

George is right on this one. I'm mainly talking about if you slide long enough on the leathers to wear through them. When that happens your poly base layer is now part of your skin. It's not a pretty sight.

Ok, I see your point, you two have me thinking about it now.

[China_Racer_1]

Yamaha George,

I just got a knack for talking to people and showing them how things can work to their advantage.

I honestly think this is a win-win for both the biker and for BAM.

If I did not I would not be putting forth the effort.

I think also the fact that I race amateur here and have a manufacturing background helps as I know what a manufacturer is looking for and the racing is a good vehicle in some cases for them to get their product out.

racing in this case is a great link up as we do tend to get a bit hot and sweaty when its 40 Celcius and the humidity factor is past 85% Eeee-Yuk! Stinky, Stinky

Thanks for the good review on these makes me feel better about trying to cut this deal.

I think I will end up with the whole sha-bang shirt, pants, and socks if they work that well.

but 20% off shoo that's a good hit we need to spread the word!

[yamaha_george]

Yamaha George,

I just got a knack for talking to people and showing them how things can work to their advantage.

I honestly think this is a win-win for both the biker and for BAM.

If I did not I would not be putting forth the effort.

I think also the fact that I race amateur here and have a manufacturing background helps as I know what a manufacturer is looking for and the racing is a good vehicle in some cases for them to get their product out.

racing in this case is a great link up as we do tend to get a bit hot and sweaty when its 40 Celcius and the humidity factor is past 85% Eeee-Yuk! Stinky, Stinky

Thanks for the good review on these makes me feel better about trying to cut this deal.

I think I will end up with the whole sha-bang shirt, pants, and socks if they work that well.

but 20% off shoo that's a good hit we need to spread the word!

Steve ,
on the basis of your work I have just hit 6 lists beside this one I am on .

The rest of you have to get on this If you want me to co-ordinate an order where you can PAYPAL me and I get the stuff to you rather than using a credit card over the internet fine I'm right here and 24 hours post from the company.

These items are super light so P & P is going to be minimal

[tommyj27]

FYI, I merged this topic with TK's group order thread.

[yamaha_george]

FYI, I merged this topic with TK's group order thread.

Cool makes sense to have them together.
Latest info:-

"/Hi Bernie, thanks for the mail.  I've talked to a pro biker about one
piece items.  It depends on how big a reaction we get on this 20%
promo.  Then we might make some.  I have no idea at all about abrasion
heat, but I do know that our fabric doesn't melt, it smoulders when
shown a flame.  Good for Afganistan apparently.

 This being a new area for us, we have no idea or further advice (!)  but I've been told by
several bikers we should push this market because they are perfect, but
that's all I have, detail-wise.  It would need to be a word of mouth
thing for us to develop a wider range of suitable biker stuff, like one
pieces, with opening